Arlo: [00:00:00] a lot of the big, the big goals that I set and the things that I do that seem kind of out there and kind of extreme.
Are things that, there are goals that I've set for myself because I know I have to put in the work to be able to do it.
Riley: Okay. Today I've got Arlo Stein on. We, uh, Arlo and I have known each other for a long time. We're not exactly close friends, but of a friend. And, uh, he beat me up once. So there's that, uh, [00:01:00] we, we've got that thing in common. So we're, uh, we're gonna talk today about some of the just wild stuff.
Uh, Arlo and his buddies do that, that, uh, well, you're about to find out. But I think Arlo lifts everything he comes in contact with, or at least attempts to, and, uh, has a heavy, uh, fitness emphasis in his life. And so, Arlo, welcome to the show, man.
Arlo: Thank you. Nice to be here. Thank you.
I hear I probably can't beat you up anymore,
Riley: I
Arlo: so
Riley: that I, I,
listen, listen, I, we've both been doing juujitsu a while now. You still still
Arlo: right.
Riley: And original memory was, I think you were a purple belt already by the time I started.
Arlo: Okay. Oh, okay. Right, right.
Riley: and tied me in a knot and, you know, you were more gentle than Trevor was, but,
Arlo: Uh, Trevor's not a gentleman.
Riley: oh, we love Trevor bad. He is a good dude.
Arlo: do. Absolutely.
Riley: so
Arlo: Yep.
Riley: did you [00:02:00] know
Arlo: Oh, no, no. I'll have to look it up.
Riley: previous to you, but yours will come out first 'cause you have a,
Arlo: Oh, okay.
Riley: up We want to
Arlo: Okay. Okay. Great. Good.
Riley: when I say Arlo beat me up, that's kind of the backstory is, is we got on the mats together and I got introduced to Arlo was a purple belt.
Who's al also a pretty, uh, uh, well he's an athlete and I'm less than an athlete, so, uh, or less of an athlete. yeah,
Arlo: oh shoot.
Riley: up in every Um, but yeah. want to talk to you today. Jujitsu's going to come up in here and I do wanna talk about it 'cause you've got kind of a, a special take on that. But talk about who you are, where you grew up, what life looked like as a kid.
Arlo: Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So growing up, I grew up in Ogden, Utah. My dad was a civilian worker with the Air Force. Um, so he was based out of Hill Air Force Base, but he, he moved around a lot. We'd spend like a few months here at this Air Force base, a few months over [00:03:00] here. And so I kind of, I moved all over the place when I was really young and I don't remember any of it.
So I was born in, born in Kansas, and three days later we moved. So, but, but I've been in Utah, Utah's been home for, for my whole life. Um, so I grew up very family oriented, very church oriented. We, uh, I mean, church was every Sunday and every Sunday evening we'd go back and Wednesdays we'd go to church and, and, uh, and it was, it was great.
It was a great way to grow up. Very, very family oriented. Like I, like I mentioned, um, did everything together and, uh, grew up without a TV as well. We didn't have a TV in the house until after high school. And I think that like, we were always outside exploring. And doing stuff outside. And I think that's probably a lot of where I got my start of just adventure and trying to, just exploring different options and going different places and trying different things and, and it was really a blessing for me to grow up that way.
Um, I have, I have four [00:04:00] siblings. I was one of five, I was the middle child, so I have an older brother and, uh, I got away with a lot because he was a handful. And so by the time it came to me they were like, oh, Arlo's fine. He's great. So, uh, older brother, older sister, and two younger sisters. Um, and man, it was great.
It was just, just a fabulous upbringing and, uh, yeah, I dunno, what else do you wanna know?
Riley: I, I, uh, it's, it's always nice to know kind of where people come from, right? 'cause
Arlo: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Riley: as So,
Arlo: Right.
Riley: yeah. So born and
Arlo: I.
Riley: U Utah,
you, what do you do for a career?
Arlo: So I am a strength and conditioning coach, and I also do sports massage therapy. So, uh, so I do both, both of those. And then I have a, I do do some jiujitsu instruction as well. I'm, I'm contracted by the local police department to teach jiujitsu to the police [00:05:00] officers, so
Riley: I don't know if I
Arlo: that's what I do, those three things.
Oh, yeah. It's, it's fantastic. I love it.
Riley: Oh that's great man So I think, I think law enforcement man, if, if you can get those guys into, into juujitsu
Arlo: absolutely.
Riley: takes a right? And so they're more,
Arlo: Yep.
Riley: confident They know it, a bad guy. And you
Arlo: Yeah. Uh,
Riley: bad that 'cause they know
Arlo: right, right. For sure. Mm-hmm.
Riley: we have a program like that at our school. It's great. And I love,
Arlo: nice. Oh, good.
Riley: a a beat up dummy once in a while for
Arlo: Oh,
fun too.
Riley: yeah handcuffs a few times. So,
Arlo: Yep. Yep.
Riley: yeah originally got you into the, the fitness coaching path?
Arlo: Yeah, so originally I wanted to be a veterinarian for as long as I can remember. Grew up as a kid, loving animals, always wanted to help animals and, and, uh, that was the [00:06:00] goal until I got to college and I started to go that direction and I started, uh, job shadowing different veterinarians. And after a couple surgeries I'm like, this is absolutely not what I want to do and I can't see myself doing it.
And I was kind of lost from there. So I'm like, uh, no, what? So I was, uh, I was playing volleyball, men's club volleyball at Weber State University. That's where I went to college. And, uh, spending a lot of time in the gym and just became fascinated with how the body works and how to improve performance. And just the whole exercise physiology and sports performance side just captivated me.
And, and that's really kind of what set me on the path towards, towards fitness. So.
Riley: do juujitsu, you learn how to break people, and then you also know how to put 'em back together.
Arlo: Yes, yes. It's, it's a great business model.
Riley: right? I'm gonna
Arlo: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Uh, yeah.[00:07:00]
Riley: you kind of,
Arlo: Yep.
Riley: that
physique of a,
be a nasty volleyball player,
Arlo: Yeah, it is. It is kind of funny when it comes to volleyball, people are like, oh, I can see that you're really tall. I'm like, as a volleyball player, I am short, like I'm, I'm about six three. But you look at collegiate volleyball players and that's not very tall,
Riley: of that one, huh?
Arlo: yeah, yeah, yeah. But, but it was a lot of fun, man.
I love volleyball.
Riley: go
Arlo: So, uh, I played three years at Weber State, and then I got into to sand volleyball and played. Played quite a few years. Overall. I played probably 15 years, um, of, of volleyball. So
yeah, it's a lot of fun. And then Jiujitsu kind of took over, so Yeah. Right, right.
Something like that.
Riley: when did
Arlo: So I started in 2007.
Riley: that was, that was a, that's been a while, man.
Arlo: [00:08:00] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Riley: you say you don't think I could beat you up or that you could beat me up. Now that's, I I totally, I think he'd still smoke me. We should do
Arlo: I don't know. We should, we should. Absolutely.
Riley: yeah
Arlo: tells me all the, all the hours that you've put in though. It's, it's amazing. Incredible.
Riley: you
Arlo: Like
Riley: it was for a
long time This
has,
Arlo: Uhhuh.
Riley: way This year has been got pneumonia
Arlo: Hmm.
Riley: the year
Arlo: Oh no.
Riley: it when it came back with a vengeance in both lungs and
Arlo: Oh, shoot.
Riley: months of recovery time
Arlo: Wow.
Riley: It was a
rough I
Arlo: Yeah. Yeah.
Riley: but
Arlo: Okay.
Riley: pathetic yeah, been a rough one, but, um,
Arlo: Yeah. Right, right.
Riley: but let's this fitness journey. So you don't just do the normal, you do some normal weights but you, you tend to get into
Arlo: Right, right.
Riley: audience kind of a, a little [00:09:00] backstory.
The first time I really clued into the stuff you guys do, you and some friends would take these big juujitsu mats and hike up to the top of a mountain, up there all weekend, and then carry all your crap back down. But it wasn't enough that you had to take turns carrying these mats. It was like if somebody wasn't carrying a mat, they had to carry something else that was heavy.
Arlo: Right, right. So, oh, that was a lot of fun. So, so one of the things we did, we, I like strong man style training as well. Um, and so everything we do is heavy, right? But, but we, uh. So we, we kept score on a lot of different things for that. We called it Summoned Submit, where we would, we'd hike up in the mountains with mats.
We went up near Kings Peak. So Kings Peak is 13,000 feet, and we were, we were at the bottom of the pass, which is at about 11,000 something. Um, but what we did, everybody, we were spending the night, so we had backpacks anyway, and we were carrying mats [00:10:00] anyway. And then we had, I had in the back of my truck, I had a bunch of weight plates and you couldn't see, like, you got to go and pick weight plates out if you wanted to carry extra weight.
Uh, but you didn't know what anybody else took. So it was kind of like, should I grab more? Or like, because when we got, when we got up to the top. There were more points awarded the more weight that you were carrying. And so it was like this unknown, like, do I grab more for more points, but then everything else is gonna suck worse, or, but it was, it was pretty entertaining.
one kid, one guy carried up like 85 pounds. It was wild. And it was way more than anybody.
Well that was part of his backpack. But for, for like an 11 mile hike in
Riley: Covering a couple thousand feet of elevation.
Arlo: uh,
yep.
Riley: was that you're grappling with your guys, you guys stayed the night, did you
Arlo: Yes. [00:11:00] Just the first day. Yeah. It is really hard to breathe. Like grappling at 11,000 feet of something else.
Riley: I was thinking, yeah. What about, uh, no showers and that kind of thing up there too. You, I probably would've bowed out
Arlo: Right, right.
Uh.
Riley: so in
you, you've had a, a ton of other really creative type type workouts that you've thrown in, in lot in lots of years there. But tell, me of some others.
Arlo: Um, so kind of the one that stands out probably the most is the truck pull. Uh, every year we do a 10 mile truck pull where we, right now we have teams that show up and pull. Um, so we'll put five people on a team and you take turns pulling a truck for 10 miles across the Bonneville Salt Flats. Um, that started out as a solo effort.
I did it for, uh, that was six years ago. This will be the sixth year that we've done it. So the first time I just pulled my truck for 10 miles and [00:12:00] then, then we made a team fundraiser event out of it after that. Um, so that, I mean, pulling trucks is, is kind of fun. And then climbing mountains with bar bills and, I don't know, lots of different things.
I carried a TV for 10 miles once that was entertaining. One of the big. Big old school tube televisions.
Yeah.
Yeah. That was rough.
Riley: send me some pictures of this kind of stuff, man. I,
Arlo: Oh, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Riley: I want everybody to know, this isn't like you're pulling pickup from the eighties. This is, you're pulling a, like a threequarter ton Ford or
Arlo: So
Riley: aren't you?
Arlo: I, I pulled a Toyota Tundra for several years and then a, uh, and then a Dodge Ram, a 1500 the last couple years. And then one year me and three buddies pulled a motor home. That was ridiculous. But the.
Riley: about
Arlo: I didn't do, I didn't do that myself.
No. [00:13:00]
Riley: Oh my
Arlo: So we had three, three guys on the front and one guy pushing from behind, and we went 10 miles with a, with a motor home.
I think curb weight was like 18,000 pounds or something, but it was, it was fully loaded. So it was, it was a, it was a lot of work.
Riley: Yeah. You better hope everybody's in sync on that kind of thing.
Arlo: All right. Right. Yep.
Riley: 'cause you, you know, a Tundra or Ram 1500, you know, people probably pick up through these episodes that I have another business in the automotive world, but,
Arlo: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Riley: of a, you know,
Arlo: Yeah. I think the, I think the Tundra was 5,600 and the Ram's about 6,000, so,
yeah. Yep.
Riley: you're not making it up. This is, this is for real. and where do you do this At Arlo?
Arlo: So the Bonneville salt flats, it's near Windover, it's like four miles outside of Windover. And that's where they do, like, they set land speed records and stuff out there. [00:14:00] That's where, where cars go. 'cause it's flat and it stretches for miles. Um, we have not set any land speed records, I don't believe with the, uh, the truck pulling, but
Riley: maybe you could set the record on the other end, like, uh, you know, the, the slowest speed across
Arlo: yeah, probably. Yeah, I bet we have it. The slowest speed
probably so.
Riley: I the Salt Flats, um, in the spring when it's, you know, sometimes it's, it's kind of, I wouldn't call it muddy 'cause it's not mud, it's salt, but it's
Arlo: Right, right. Yes.
Uhhuh
Riley: event
Arlo: occasionally. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So there have, there was one year where it was completely flooded and we couldn't go out on it at all, so we just pulled on a little. Road next to the salt flats. Um, and one year there was like a half inch of standing water. It rained all morning and it was, it was the year we pulled the motor home, actually.
But it's still really solid underneath [00:15:00] as long you're in as you're in the right spot. So, um, so we did have that one year and it was beautiful because you had a half inch of standing water and the, just the reflection, like everything, it looked like a frozen lake or like, like just a calm lake where you could see the reflection of everything.
And it was awesome. It was really neat. Uh, it was wet, but
Riley: how do you deal out there with, with that saltiness man? Because I imagine you take a slip and dip a knee down on that and cut yourself. You're,
Arlo: yeah, it's, it's got really good traction actually. So your, your feet grip pretty well. Mm-hmm. As long as you have decent shoes on.
Riley: yeah. Well, how about sunburn? I mean, 'cause you're, you got reflection coming from
Arlo: Oh, you get sunburned. Yeah. Yeah. That's just a given.
Riley: long did that take you to do? 10 miles of the
Arlo: So, so the first year it took me 14 and a half hours to, to pull for 10 miles.
Riley: sunburn. That's an understatement.
Arlo: Yeah,
yeah. [00:16:00]
Riley: and a
Arlo: Yep.
Riley: I'm trying to do
on that one. You know, miles per hour. I, you do have the slowest. I imagine
Arlo: I'm pretty,
I'm pretty sure.
Riley: at The truck has the slowest time across there.
Arlo: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Riley: um, what are you doing that for? 'cause that's not just for fun, right?
You have a
Arlo: Right, right. Yes. Yeah. So we are, we are doing it to raise money, to fight against, uh, child sex trafficking. And so we've supported various organizations over the years. This year we're supporting the Tim Tebow Foundation and also, uh, destiny Rescue, who works all over Southeast Asia and Latin America, and some here in the States as well.
And so, yeah, we just, we encourage people that there, we have a link, it's 10 mile truck pull.com, um, where people can go on and pick what organization they wanna support and, and make donations right there through, through the website. Um, yeah. Yeah. So that was, I mean, [00:17:00] that's been, that's been incredible.
'cause I've always, I've always liked doing hard things, but 2020 is really when I'm like, feel like I have this gift for doing hard things and, and, and actually enjoying suffering a little bit. Like there's gotta be something good that I can make out of this Right. Some, rather than it just being for me to, for my own personal self accomplishment or whatever.
There's, there's gotta be a way to, to tie into, to something and make it a bigger cause than just for myself. And, and I, I honestly, I didn't think that it would work, but people actually donated money that first year. We raised like 11,000.
just for me to pull a truck for 10 miles. I'm like, well, this is my calling.
I guess because,
Riley: What's, uh,
Arlo: yeah,
Riley: your there? 'cause you, you know, I, I happen to
Arlo: yeah.
Riley: Where man is, is just a,
Arlo: Mm-hmm.
Riley: [00:18:00] that crap does. So,
Arlo: Yeah. it is. Yeah, absolutely disgusting. Um, I think the thing that, that really got me thinking about it, like I've always kind of been interested in, I mean obviously it's horrible. I don't wanna say I'm interested in it, right. But it's, uh, it interested in being involved in, in fighting against it.
And then when I started to have kids, so I have, I have five children, and it was. After my first one, just seeing how vulnerable and, and dependent kids are on us, that I really started thinking more about it and being like, man, this is, I can't imagine anything ever happen happening to my child. Right? And, and I have to do something.
Um, I don't know what it is yet. And then, and then 2020 is when, when I realized, well, this is what I can do. So,
Riley: Oh that's awesome man. Now, you mentioned you had some buddies pulling in the, the motor home with you.
Arlo: yes. Yeah. Yeah.[00:19:00]
Riley: is there
Arlo: So there's a couple of things. So we're still doing the 10 mile team event on Saturday, October 25th. But I am also, I'm going to pull solo for 26.2 miles and I'll start the day before. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna start on the 24th. Um, and it'll probably take me 30, 30 hours or so is kind of what I'm estimating.
Um, so both solo and team,
Riley: you're a wild man. I love this. love this so much, man. Um, do you guys,
on video? Is it, do you stream it? What do, what do you do there?
Arlo: we, we don't stream it. We do, uh, I'll make posts like on Facebook and Instagram and stuff along the way. Um, but we haven't, we haven't ever streamed anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Riley: that would be interesting. Streaming's. Probably not the right.
Arlo: I,
Riley: something that
takes that long, you[00:20:00]
somebody's
Arlo: right,
Riley: engage in
Arlo: Yep. He's still pulling,
Riley: yeah. Here, here, here he goes.
Arlo: uh.
Riley: well that you posted here recently. You've gotta, I don't know if it's a company or if it's a page or what you do with the Art of Jitsu. Talk
Arlo: Yes.
Riley: that came from
Arlo: Okay. So the, the original concept between the art of lift jitsu started in 2011. I was, uh, competing in an intermediate heavyweight tournament, and, uh, and it was a no time limit match. And I was 20 minutes in against some Polynesian guy. And, and normally I'm stronger than, than the people I roll with.
Or if they try and match strength for strength, I don't have a problem with that. I'd rather roll somebody big and strong than somebody that's fast and small, right? So those are the guys that make me tired. But, but anyway, um, yeah, so 20 [00:21:00] minutes in, I felt my strength fading. Like I'm strong and my cardio's still good, like I'm not worn out, but I'm not as strong as when I started 20 minutes ago and I was, I had multiple submissions along the way where I.
I had his arm all the way back with a Kimora and he, he muscled out of it. I had a triangle, he muscled out of that. And I'm just like, this guy's. Yeah, how exactly. And I'm like, he's, I'm getting weaker. And he is not, he's still just as strong as when we started. And, uh, I ended up losing to a, to a straight ankle lock in like 20, 21st minute, something like that.
And, and immediately decided
I have to change the way I'm training if, if I don't want this to ever happen again. So, so the next, that was on a Saturday. On Monday I had a bunch of guys show up to the gym and I'm like, okay, we're doing lift jitsu. And we rolled for five minutes and then we did tire flips and pull up and then you're back on the mat.
And I'm like, if we can somehow, instead of [00:22:00] resting roll for a long duration and do like near maximal strength exercises, drain that, um. It's gonna suck and it's gonna be terrible, but eventually we will override that and, and be able to maintain our, our strength throughout, throughout a really long match.
And so it, it, it completely changed the way I trained for Jiujitsu. And so we've, we've trained and joked about Lift Juujitsu ever since, so for like 14 years now. Um, and then I wrote, okay, yeah. Yeah. And then in, uh, in 2015, I wrote an article for Jiujitsu Magazine called The Art of the Practical Art of Lift Jitsu.
And then last year I published the book Art of Lift Jitsu, so
I do, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Riley: of
Arlo: Yep. Art of Lift Jitsu. It's on, it's on Amazon,
so.
Riley: that
Arlo: Yep. But I'll, I'll send you one. Don't buy it on [00:23:00] Amazon. It's, it's, it's cheaper if you get it from me.
Riley: I, uh,
Arlo: bet.
Riley: so
it is just, this is still just you and your buddies.
Arlo: Yeah. Yep.
Riley: in that?
Arlo: So there's only a couple of us left. Actually. There were more, but
there, uh, yeah.
Riley: got too
Arlo: Not so many anymore. I think so. I think so.
[00:24:00]
Riley: back to the, uh, art of Lift Jitsu. I saw a video here recently of you and your buddies and a couple of those guys were rolling and I think you were in the background lifting while they were grappling and it seemed like you're just doing kind of this, uh, three-way round robin there.
Arlo: Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there, there's a lot of different ways to set up a lift jitsu workout based on how many people you are doing it with. Like, if it's just two of you, you'll roll and then you'll take a break and you'll both lift and then you'll roll again. If there's three, generally we have one guy lifting while the other two roll, and we'll just cycle through.
So when you're, when it's not your turn to roll, then you're lifting.
Riley: so awesome, man. That is so awesome. Sounds, uh, it sounds frightening a little bit 'cause it sounds [00:25:00] very difficult, but
Arlo: It sucks at first for sure, but tell you what, you never get tired when you're just grappling after that, so,
Riley: I'm like the, the stereotypical, lazy brown belt. That's
Arlo: okay. Okay.
Riley: find a comfortable position. Defend myself until an opening's there.
Arlo: Absolutely, absolutely. I do have a brown belt. Question for you are, did anybody ever tell you when you got your brown belt, if you're supposed to continue skipping warmups or if you start 'em again, or what happens there? Nobody ever told me when I like, I guess I just keep skipping warmups. Like a purple belt or, I don't know.
I was hoping maybe you knew.
Riley: I don't have any insight on that for two
Arlo: All right.
Riley: of them is our
Arlo: Oh, nice.
Riley: go And then, uh, two, it's been so long since I've been a purple belt. I've just forgotten all those purple belt shenanigans. So
Arlo: got it, got it. Okay.
[00:26:00] I think at brown belt we just make the rules now I think you're probably right. That's what I, that's what I started doing. Just like, eh, I just do what I want now. No.
Riley: you're a black belt now, right?
Arlo: Yes. Yeah, yeah. Yep. Uh, April, April 19th. Um, and that, I understand you were supposed to get yours on the 19th?
Yes.
Riley: was the
Arlo: Oh, okay.
Yeah. 'cause Trevor was telling me, oh, he is getting promoted if, and then, and then I got surprised with mine, like right around that same time, so.
Riley: that pneumonia really, really messed me up, man. It was, I just couldn't test, I couldn't, I didn't have any grappling endurance back and
Arlo: Yeah.
Riley: I was
Arlo: Right, right.
Riley: up actual ceremonial test. really all our test is, is a
Arlo: Uh,
Riley: You've proven it
but
Arlo: Right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah,[00:27:00]
Riley: I was really disappointed and I've kind of had to fight a lot of
Arlo: yeah. I bet.
Riley: you
Arlo: Oh, man.
Riley: that
journey's not a straight up thing, you know, it's got its bumps and
Arlo: For sure.
Uh
Riley: down at a very
time.
Arlo: hmm. Yeah. Right, right.
Riley: it'll happen. It'll happen. We were talking about
Arlo: Absolutely.
Riley: and
Arlo: Okay. Oh, good,
good, good.
Riley: well talk to me We had briefly talked off air about your career path, and you know, I, I should have, uh, brought this back around at the beginning of the episode when we were talking about this, but I am curious from a business standpoint, we have a lot of business owners that listen to the podcast,
Arlo: Oh, okay.
Riley: you had an office for your, your physical, um, coaching business, but
Arlo: Yes.
Riley: Talk about kind of why you did that and what, what's, what
Arlo: Okay. Yeah. [00:28:00] Yeah. So there, there were a couple of reasons. In 2020 when everything shut down for COVID, I realized like having a space is a liability. Like I still have to pay rent whether I'm there working or not. Right? Um, and so that kind of got me started thinking about it. And then in, uh, 2022, somebody else bought the building that I was in.
So we had new owners and rent was going to go up a lot, and it just, it wasn't reasonable for us to stay there. And so I'm like, well, we can, we could try it at the house, you know, and we have a big two car garage, uh, that extends quite a ways back. And, and so we, we took everything out of the garage and re, re, re.
Designed or whatever it as a, as a gym. And, uh, and I just went to work there and man, it has been so awesome. I absolutely love it. Um, I definitely lost some clients that stopped coming, but I picked up some new ones and I'm, I'm probably as busy now as I, as I ever was, ever have been. Whatever. [00:29:00] Um, I'm, I'm not able to do group stuff as easily anymore, but for one-on-one clients, it works great and it's, man, it's amazing.
So, um, I really. It's made a huge difference in my ability to be a good father as well, because now I see my kids every morning and I see 'em in the evening, and I used to be outta the house before anybody woke up to, to go train people at five, six, whatever I was, I was, I was away from the house before anybody woke up.
Right. And then I'd get home later in the evening and I'm tired. And, um, and so it's just, it's been amazing. I have downtime, I can run inside and see people and, and, uh, yeah. It's been, been probably the best thing I've ever done for my, for my family from, from a work perspective. Um, and it, and it hasn't hurt business at all.
Like overall I think we're, we're just as good as we, as we were before. So, and it's nice for me too, like just waking up and walking down to the garage [00:30:00] rather than, rather than driving to the gym. You know, it's,
I love it.
Riley: yeah that, you know, and again, off air, we, we briefly spoke about this, but it's, you kind of find out that a lot of that, um, overhead that you had
Arlo: Yeah.
Riley: anything right It
Arlo: Right, right.
Riley: It was was kind of a, it was a
Arlo: Hmm.
Riley: but was it necessary?
Arlo: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Riley: What for business owners on that?
Arlo: Um, I mean, I guess it, it depends entirely what, what you do as far as the space that you need. But, but I definitely didn't every step of my, so I've been in, I've been in three locations now for, I've, I've owned the business for 20 years. Started in 2005, and I had, I had around 3000 square feet. And it was like, I designed the space, I put in everything I wanted and it was awesome.
And, [00:31:00] and when we downsized, we went to 1500 square feet and I'm like, I totally could have done everything I did here in 1500 square feet. And now I'm in, I don't even know what the gym, what the garage is. It's not that big. And I'm like, I totally could have started here and saved thousands and thousands of dollars.
Um, so yeah, I don't know. I mean,
if I could go back, I probably wouldn't go back just 'cause I've learned stuff along the way. Right. But I, but I definitely could have, I could have made do with what I had now and probably spent more time with my family and had had just as much success as a, as a business owner had. I started small and, and built up rather than starting with this huge vision of this is what I want.
And
Riley: Yeah,
Arlo: so.
Riley: see. that a
lot you know, people will start a business and then they buy $80,000 pickup truck [00:32:00] to tow
Arlo: Hmm.
Riley: around, and
Arlo: Right, right.
Riley: that's gonna come back and
Arlo: Yeah,
Riley: point, you know,
Arlo: Yeah,
Riley: a
Arlo: Absolutely.
Riley: done the same
Arlo: I, uh,
Riley: you
know
Arlo: right, right.
Riley: when you scratch
Arlo: Yeah. Right, right.
So true.
Riley: No that you, you know, got to walk through that and see, gosh
Arlo: Hmm.
Riley: do just as much
business way. And, and there's these other fringe benefits and Sure. You don't have the
Arlo: Yeah. Yeah.
Riley: you know fancy gym and 3000 square feet of overhead.
Arlo: Right, right. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. For sure. Yep. And there, there's nothing pretty about my gym anyway. There never has been. So it's all, it's all rocks and tree trunks and,
Riley: What, uh, what do you find? 'cause all I see, man, I see, I see. Every time I see you, you're, you're lifting a, a [00:33:00] rock somewhere. And, and recently you, you did that post about you're having a birthday. Will you talk to what, what's going on there? You, you did some special tour.
Arlo: yeah. Yeah. So, so there's a lot of historic stones around the world. Like Scotland has a big, a big, uh, group of, of historic stones across the country, and Iceland and Japan has 'em, and Sweden has 'em. And like all over the world, there are historic stones that people have been lifting for hundreds of years.
Um, and they used to be like. There are different reasons for 'em, kind of like they would be testing stones for, if you wanted to get a job working on this ship, you had to prove your, your ability to be a capable hand on the ship or whatever, or sailor or whatever. So if you can pick up this rock, yeah. You have the job.
If you can't, sorry, you're not, you're not capable enough and or on a farm. So a lot of 'em are on farms where you had to prove your, your worth as a farm hand by being able to pick up this rock. And, [00:34:00] and there's other legends of rocks where like, if you could pick up this rock, then you get to, you get to marry the farmer's daughter or whatever.
So historic, historic stones are, are kind of a fun, like, it's fun history to, to look at different stones around the world. But anyway, there's a, there's a guy here in Utah, Ryan Stewart, who is, he's legitimately one of the best stone lifters in the world. And, uh. And he is traveled to all of these countries and done these historic stone tours in all these different countries.
And he, he, several years back, decided to, to make a similar thing here in Utah called the Utah Stones of Strength. And so there, there are stones all over Utah that have been designated as this is part of the, the stone lifting tour. And so, uh, it's 15 to 20 stones. Um, I don't know an exact number, but I, I, I took one of the maps from the Utah Stones of Strength and uh, and [00:35:00] decided for my 48th birthday, I would see how many of them I could lift in 48 hours.
Um, and it's not, I mean, it's not a lot of reps, right? I tried, I tried 13 stones, so that doesn't sound like a lot in, in 48 hours, but there's a lot of driving involved.
Um, I.
Riley: you what the
Arlo: Yeah, I haven't added it up yet, but I bet, I bet it's, so, Moab is the furthest stone away that I went to, and that's five hours from where I live.
Um, and then a lot of going all over the place to and from there as well. So, so I put in to probably 15 to 20 hours of driving over two days. Um, and then I did sleep the night at home, one night, the in between. And so that, that doesn't leave me as much time. Like I was busy for two days in a row, going to stones and trying to lift them.
And, and there's a lot of fatigue too because they're big stones. Like even though you're only picking it up once, it kind of wrecks you. So,[00:36:00]
um.
Riley: kind of weight
are you talking
Arlo: So the smallest one was 232 pounds, and the next smallest that I lifted was 280. And it goes up from there like the, the two biggest stones are 555 pounds and 528 pounds.
Um, and I was unsuccessful. I didn't lift either of those, but, but lifted several in the three hundreds. Um, and then the 2 32 and a couple in the upper two, two hundreds.
Riley: Is it just off the
Arlo: So there's the, there's, there's different levels. So several of the stones you have to pick up instead set on a, they call it a plinth. It's either a tree stump that's about chest height or a, another big boulder that you're setting these rocks on, um, at, at chest height. But a lot of the other rocks that you're not setting on something.
A [00:37:00] successful lift depends. You can, if you get it to your waist or to your lap, that's, that's considered a successful lift to your chest is like the next step up. That's a better lift if I can get it. Chest height and then some really, really strong people can shoulder rocks that big, but I'm not one of those guys,
so
Riley: over
500
Arlo: no, no, That would be amazing. I've seen, I've seen people shoulder like 400 pound stones and that's just insane. I don't, I don't understand. But, but like with the, with the 320 330 pound stones, people, people can shoulder them and it's just, it's wild to me. Yeah. Right.
Riley: tell me this, man, I'm just
Arlo: Uh,
Riley: You're driving to these, these stone lifts and you're, spending hours in the car
Arlo: yes.
Riley: then you
get
Arlo: I.
Riley: you gotta be doing some
a warmup before you [00:38:00] grab a hold of these big suckers.
Arlo: Uh, not really. No. No. Some people will bring some I did not. Nope. Some people will bring a, uh, will bring like a kettlebell and, and do some kettlebell squats and swings and stuff. I mostly just walked up to 'em and tried 'em. So, not the best idea probably, but
it's all right. I had a fa
Riley: Arlo.
Arlo: I was just gonna, I was just gonna say I had a family. I, I had a car full of kids and my wife and, and like throwing extra weights in the car just didn't seem like a very good idea.
Riley: Uh,
Arlo: But, uh,
Riley: oh. What
was I gonna ask Oh, I've, I've done these road trips where I go, you know, travel out for, for my company Salt, and I'll go to different events
Arlo: yeah, yeah.
Riley: uh a I'll meet with gym owners that, you know, in juujitsu schools and stuff. But man, after I've been in the car for 5, 6, 7, 8, 10 hours, I don't want [00:39:00] to grapple, man.
I, I get there and I'm
Arlo: Hmm.
Riley: from just
Arlo: Uh,
Riley: get on the
Arlo: yeah. yeah,
Riley: yeah.
you're not having a warm up there.
Arlo: I'm, by the time I get out of the car, I'm ready to move, ready to do something because I've been sitting so long, I think, and so I, I would rather, rather do something active, uh, even though I'm stiff and, and whatever from being in the car. But,
Riley: what other types of lifts do you do? You, you mentioned tree stumps you mentioned, um, well you mentioned kettlebells in there, but what's your kind of daily workout look like?
Arlo: so it varies. I don't do as much strength training now. Um, I mean, I do, I do a lot of strength training, but not. Uh, kind of traditional wise, like I'm in the gym all day long, so I'll do little bits and pieces of stuff here and there rather than setting aside an hour to work [00:40:00] out, if that makes sense. Like, I'll do a few reps here, a few reps there, and then I grapple a lot.
Like I'm, I'm on the mats probably seven or eight times a week. Um, and so, so I don't, I do enough to, to maintain strength and to try and get stronger, but it's not real structured like you would expect from a strength and conditioning coach.
Um, definitely big movements. I, I do a lot of upper back work, a lot of row variations, a lot of dead lifts.
I do try and lift stones as often as possible, um, just because they are like, it's full body and they don't have handles, so they're, they're more awkward, harder to hold onto, which is, which is totally like if you're grappling somebody that doesn't want you to hold onto 'em. Right. So, um, and then with the Art of Jitsu too, in my, in my book, um, we do a lot of partner exercises too, [00:41:00] where I'm actually lifting a person in various ways.
Uh, there's a, there's a ton of different ways to mimic other exercises with a person or just do. Complete full body. I'm picking you up and, and doing this with you kind of stuff. Um, so I, I lift people quite a bit too, rather than traditional weights.
Riley: to see what that, what that looks like. Man, I
Arlo: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
Riley: of what is just fitness advice that you would give everyone? I. the reason I'm asking it that way is 'cause you, you mentioned that your workouts now kind of consist of little pieces here and there throughout the
Arlo: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Riley: it sounds like it maintains a good level of fitness by being
Arlo: I think,
Riley: though it's small So
Arlo: yes. So I think that the thing to keep in mind is that I'm doing the other stuff as well. Like I am grappling a lot and that maintains [00:42:00] strength too, right? So basic advice for, for anyone is just make sure you're moving and doing something active every day. Um, whatever that is that, that you're drawn to, that you enjoy doing.
'cause if you don't enjoy it, you're not going to do it probably. Right? Um, so, so pick something you enjoy doing and make sure you're moving every single day. Um, because I'm grappling almost every day, I maintain a lot of strength that way. And then I just kind of supplement with my, my workouts in the gym.
So
Riley: Beautiful. Um, can we move on to some, just some lighter fun questions.
Arlo: Of course, absolutely.
Riley: you've got one of our rash guards. It says, go in your salt on front just
Arlo: Yes.
Riley: in the
Arlo: Yeah. Yeah.
Riley: does the term go in your salt mean to you?
Arlo: Uh, I mean, I think it, my interpretation of it is that, that you need to be [00:43:00] out there working hard to, I don't know, I've never really thought about it before. It makes sense to me. Go earn your salt, just putting in the work, I guess, whatever it is that you're trying to achieve, that, that it's not gonna happen without consistent hard work.
Riley: actually, uh, beautifully said. You know, it's not gonna work without consistently
Arlo: I passed.
Riley: cause
Arlo: No.
Riley: it,
what, what does it mean to you? And I, I do mean that, but that's, that's a,
Arlo: Yeah, yeah.
Riley: it too
Arlo: Okay. Okay.
Riley: gosh, makes you valuable to someone else.
Right.
Arlo: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Riley: pastime. We've talked
about jujitsu about lifting stuff. Do you have any other, other things you do? Hobbies, you, you partake in?
Arlo: So beach volleyball is definitely, definitely one of my favorites. I had to scale that back because I have neck issues and looking up was not good for me. And that's every single part of [00:44:00] volleyball. So,
Riley: That's something you're dealing with now, like currently
Arlo: yeah, yeah, yeah. So I, I pretty much retired from volleyball for the most part. Um, I don't remember.
It's been seven or eight years ago, if not longer. Um, yeah, so I, I have, I have five bulging discs in my neck and they pinch the nerves and so my arm goes numb and I can't pick stuff up and, but since I've eliminated volleyball, it's helped a bunch and I can manage it a lot better. But, but beach volleyball is definitely a, a favorite pastime for sure.
Riley: and you tell 'em you got a sore neck, that's the first thing they grab, isn't it?
Arlo: Oh, absolutely. Yeah,
Riley: disc. Let's twist on
Arlo: yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure.
I do the same for them.
Riley: yeah good, good, good. good This is a, um,
Arlo: Uh
Riley: a bit of a of
here, but when you're, uh, you're dealing with an injury like that, [00:45:00] how do you continue
your workouts with this injury? How do you, what, what's your kind of, what's your protocol?
[00:46:00]
Arlo: Right, right. So, um, I've figured out like the things that trigger it, I need to avoid. And I need to start listening to my body sooner. So the biggest issue when it was when it was the worst and I ended up having to give up volleyball, for the most part, I would try and push through it, which doesn't work with nerve in with nerve pain, right?
It just makes it worse. So listening to my body a little more and just being a little more pre proactive in, in, uh, in rehab type stuff. Like I do a lot of cervical traction, which, which has been a, a game changer for me.
Um,
and then massage and
Riley: your
Arlo: there's, there's a lot of different, a lot of different ways to do it.
Yeah, that's, that would be cervical traction. Yeah. So that takes pressure off of the nerves by, by creating more space between the vertebrae. Um, so I, I guess the biggest thing is just listening to my body and, [00:47:00] and having a good idea of what I need to do to, to keep it in check.
Riley: find with, um, you know, you mentioned your neck and sometimes I find sometimes counterintuitive, right? I've had those kinks before. You know, we're all grappling and somebody's reefing on your neck and
Arlo: Yeah.
Riley: man, the next
day it's I can't
my head this way,
Arlo: Right,
Riley: there's like an
opposing And I,
Arlo: Uhhuh,
Riley: and you, you
tell me if this but if I get a, a tight muscle on this side, you're always wanting to stretch the tight one, but sometimes it's this one compensating, right? Isn't it?
Arlo: yeah. A lot of times it is. Yeah. Yeah.
Yep. So.
Riley: what's your thoughts on
Arlo: Um,
so to go back to my book, I have all that in my book too. So, uh, for, for common injuries and addressing common injuries, a lot of times the pain shows up, not where the issue is. Um, just like you're [00:48:00] saying, whether it be knee pain, whether it be back pain, whether it be neck pain, um, a lot of times with neck pain, it's actually, um, a result of rounded forward shoulders where everything's tight in the front and then your neck has to be in a funny position to, to function normally.
Right? And so I kind of, rather than focusing on, on one side, I, I treat. Treat bilaterally. Like I'll, I'll work on both sides, but, but generally there's, there's something that will, will make it feel better and, and it could be different for, for each person. And just kind of identifying what I need to do to make it feel better, uh, goes a long ways.
And there's a lot of like self massage technique. So I work on sore necks all the time as a massage therapist. Um, but, but there, but there are some things that you can do yourself too, and they're kind of awkward and just an example, not, not awkward, like you might be thinking awkward, but, but it's kind of hard to work on yourself [00:49:00] sometimes.
So, so like one thing would be you have a muscle that attaches. Your sternum and your clavicle and the mastoid process, which is a bone right behind your ear. And so to work that by yourself, like it's easy for a massage therapist to do, but, but to work it yourself, you have to turn your head and kind of grab it like this and pinch it.
And it's super, it, it's super awkward, but it, but it helps and it makes it feel better. So, um, yeah, so just a lot of stuff like that. Things that I, I kind of focus on. I, when my neck is tweaked, I will usually roll, roll the back of my neck with, I make these peanuts, um, where it's two balls taped together, uh, rather than a lacrosse ball like some people do.
I use T balls, which are the soft baseball, little kid baseball 'cause there's a little more give and they're a little bigger than a T-ball. So I'll tape those together and roll from the base of my skull down to my mid upper back. And then I'll do the cervical traction. [00:50:00] Um, you can do it with a band, you can do it with a traction unit and.
Usually if I can do those two things, it helps, um, and, and makes a big difference. If, if not, I'll go see a massage therapist that I trust, or I have a physical therapist that I spend a lot of time with when things are broken. Um, and she's really good for me. But
Riley: What What do you look for in a massage therapist? said, you
Arlo: what do I look for in a massage therapist? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't do a lot of the like spa type massage, feel good massage. I, I usually go for, for someone who's trained in myofascial release or structural integration or something like that. And really it comes down to getting worked on by different people and then deciding who's gonna help me the most.
Riley: I, uh,
Arlo: So
Riley: go for the
torture the
massager
Arlo: I do, yes. Yep,
Riley: bruises and yeah, [00:51:00] I
Arlo: sure.
Riley: what is something quirky about you that others don't know? I.
Arlo: Something quirky. Oh, interesting.
Hmm. I, so I would say, I don't know if it's quirky or not, but something that people wouldn't expect is that I'm lazy. Um, and so, and it, and I'm, I'm being honest, like I really am. Like that's a lot of the big, the big goals that I set and the things that I do that seem kind of out there and kind of extreme.
Are things that, there are goals that I've set for myself because I know I have to put in the work to be able to do it. So I can't, like, it's easy for me to, it's not when my wife's home, 'cause she's, she's like on me about sitting around. But it's easy for me to, to sit down on a ca on the couch and just hang out and I'm happy and I'm content and, and it's easy for me to get sucked into doing [00:52:00] that.
But if I have this huge goal that I'm like, I know I need to put in the work, then I'm, then I'm going to be a lot more disciplined about preparing for it. So I always have to set big goals every year. Um, I'll generally pick two or three huge things for the year where I'm like, Hey, this is what I'm doing this year and I need to be actively working towards 'em or it's not gonna happen.
Um,
but yeah.
Riley: Um it's cool because of this, you know, 'cause there's, without a goal, we, we tend to just be aimless, right? So it's
Arlo: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yep.
Riley: I
Arlo: Uhhuh, right?
Riley: that too I have is like, well have anything going on. It's like,
Arlo: Yeah. Right.
Riley: the sales goal but then, you know, what was my goal over
Arlo: Uh,
Riley: um
Arlo: Yeah.
Riley: the kind of achievement minded person having that
Arlo: Hmm.
Riley: you
you said it it's a goal that's big [00:53:00] enough that you have to put in the work.
Arlo: Yes. Right, right.
Riley: when I, when I was running a lot, that was kind of my sport of choice for a long time. And you know,
Arlo: Yeah.
Riley: to me
Arlo: I,
Riley: I
can
that.
Arlo: Right, right.
Riley: full that kind of
Arlo: I.
Riley: too much of my
life But a
Arlo: Hmm,
Riley: I
always felt in the work, but it's not life
Arlo: yeah, yeah, yeah.
Riley: Right It's
Arlo: Right,
Riley: It's
Arlo: right, right.
Riley: that kinda what you're talking about?
Arlo: Yes. Yep. Uh, and I struggle with that balance. Sometimes it's easy for, for my goals to dominate, to dominate my thinking, and then other things get neglected. But,
Riley: Um,
Arlo: but yes, it needs to be a big enough goal that, that, that your chance of success, if you don't put in the time, it's, you're not gonna, you're not gonna reach it.
Um, [00:54:00]
Riley: so cool.
Arlo: yeah.
Riley: Okay,
you go to a restaurant and you order a hamburger. The hamburger comes to you the veggies below the patty. Is that acceptable?
Arlo: Uh, yeah, that's fine. So this is kind of funny, childhood memory.
I could flip it over.
No, I'm just kidding.
Riley: the
Arlo: it's fine.
Riley: down
Arlo: That's right, that's right. So yeah, wouldn't bother me very much, but my, my mom will still give me a hard time growing up about like, if she would make me a peanut butter and jelly sandwich half the time I'd tell her, you put the peanut butter on the wrong side.
Like, and she'd try and flip it over and I'd be like, no, it's on the wrong side. So. So this hamburger thing is pretty funny 'cause apparently I used to be a lot less tolerant of stuff like that.
Riley: [00:55:00] it's funny cause I have an uncle who, you made a sandwich, but the pieces of bread weren't, you know, if you flip 'em over, they don't match. Right. The little
Arlo: Oh, right, right. Yep.
Riley: He just,
Arlo: Oh, that's funny.
Riley: I joke just, I'll just eat it no matter how it comes to me.
But
Arlo: Yeah.
Riley: does
bother me for It's like it shows up that way. I am kind of like, why? Are you just trying to be different now?
Arlo: Oh,
Riley: being nerdy?
Arlo: that's funny.
Riley: Arlo, have you ever been in a fight? Not on the Juujitsu match.
Arlo: Uh, no. Nope. I mean, unless you count elementary school, but okay. Yes. Yep.
I have,
Riley: me about
Arlo: I got beat up just so, um, so it would've been, I'm trying to think. I think I was in fourth grade and I [00:56:00] had a, uh, I had a buddy who was overweight and a fifth grader was making fun of my buddy, and so I called him out on him at a, on it and told him to stop and, and he beat me up.
Riley: Now
Arlo: but.
Riley: got the
demeanor even
where you, you seem like you just get along with everybody, so.
Arlo: I, I do get along with most people. Yeah.
Riley: so funny 'cause you are the stereotypical, very dangerous man who just never comes across that way. You
Arlo: Hmm. Well, I wasn't in fifth grade for sure. Fourth grade for sure.
Riley: I love, um, scariest moment of your life.
Arlo: scariest moment of my life. There were, Hmm. There've been a couple. So, so first one, the, actually, a couple of 'em were just last year. But, but, but leading up to that, [00:57:00] probably, probably it would've been. It would've been around 2003 probably.
I did a lot of service work in Mexico. Um, we would work at this orphanage. We'd go down for anywhere from two weeks to two months to work at an orphanage in Mexico. And there was one time I was in Mexico, we were playing, um, playing basketball on a basketball court in a little town. And all of a sudden, like five police trucks come out and all these police officers jump out and they're carrying like machine guns and stuff and they're yelling at everybody.
And I didn't speak Spanish at the time very well, and I had no idea what they were saying. And they're lining us all up. And that was pretty terrifying 'cause I had no idea what was going on. A afterwards, my buddy that was with me who spoke Spanish very well, he explained they were looking for drugs and, and if they would've found any, we probably all would've been thrown in jail.
And so, so it was good that nobody [00:58:00] found any. But uh, but that was scary. Um. More, more recently. Last summer I had a couple of different things and they both involved thunderstorms. So, so we were, my, uh, my son and I, they both in involved my 15-year-old too. So we almost died a couple of times last year. But he stronger for it, I'm sure,
Riley: So
Arlo: you know,
so, so,
Riley: it was it was
Arlo: uh, yeah.
So we were the first one, we were on the big hole river in, in, uh, in Montana on a drift boat and a storm, huge storm came up and so we're trying to get off the water and it was in a, a rougher section where we couldn't really get off the water and we got close to the shore and I jumped out over my head, couldn't touch like I thought I could probably.
Anyway, even we got the. I guess it was before that we're still in the, [00:59:00] in the drift boat going down the river. And we hear these huge cracks and these trees are literally falling around us. Like the wind is terrible and it's blowing down these big, these big old dead trees, like the, the trunks are like 12 to 18 inches around and it's snapping 'em off and they're falling all around us.
And so we're in the middle of the river going through this huge stand of stand of trees and we're like, do we get out and like off the river into those trees that are falling everywhere? And it, it passed. We were all right, we got out, we hunkered down for 15 or 20 minutes until the lightning stopped and the wind died down.
Um, but that was scary. Um, and then, sorry dude, you wanna,
Riley: keep
Arlo: uh,
Riley: that's,
Arlo: Okay.
Riley: a
Arlo: So.
Riley: I don't know what
you do in that
Arlo: I, I wasn't sure either. I'm like, obviously you get out of the boat off the river, but now the trees are falling down all around us and we're [01:00:00] gonna get smashed by a giant tree. So, uh, yeah. So didn't know. And I'm like, this is like the stories you read about where, oh, he just went out fishing with his dad and they never came back.
Right. I'm like, this is how it's gonna end right here,
you know. But, uh,
Riley: man
Arlo: next one also involved fishing. So we were at Fontanelle Reservoir in Wyoming and they have bourbon there, which are a night feeding fish, and they love the rocks. And so we're camping on one side of the, on one side of the lake. And over on the other side are some really nice looking rocks where we're like, I think we can catch bourbon over there, but we have to wait till it gets dark.
Right. And, and paddle over there. And so we paddle. It. Looking back, it was a bad decision. I mean, it had been stormy. There were clouds, you know, it wasn't a good idea. But we had one more night that we were gonna be there. And my son and I, as the sun's going down, we're like, okay, we're gonna paddle across the lake as fast as we can and fish for a couple hours.[01:01:00]
And right about the time we get there, uh, dark thunder clouds, lightning starts flashing right, and the wind gets really bad again, similar situation, except now we're on a lake and we're on the opposite side from our campsite. Smart thing to do would've been just to get out on the shore and, and weather it out over there against the rocks.
But we didn't have self-service. And my wife was on the other side, and I'm like, she is going to freak out if we're not backed. Like she's gonna think the worst, assume the worst. And so. We are going to paddle as hard as we can now back to camp and get there as fast as we can. Forget about fishing, whatever, and just get back to, to the rest of the family.
And we started across and like within, within five minutes it was all out thunderstorm and there's lightning all around us and the waves are like crashing over the top of us. And, and by then we're committed. Like, and it was [01:02:00] dark, right? 'cause we went over there in the dark to fish in the dark. And that's something else I've been in storms in the light.
And that's one thing 'cause you can kind of see what's going around. You couldn't see anything and these waves are hitting you outta nowhere.
And then the only time you could see was when the lightning's flashing right next to you and it lights up the whole sky and you see these giant waves and, and we're, we're in this kayak just paddling as hard as we could.
I think it took us, like, it took us 20 minutes to paddle over there. And on the way back it took us over an hour just going like full effort, as hard as we possibly could into the waves and we're we're pointed right into the waves just trying to make it to the other side. 'cause if you go sideways, it's gonna flip you over.
Um, and so it was the same kind of thing where I'm like, this could be it, this could be how I'm gonna die right here on this lake with my son. Oops, sorry.
anyway, we've made, we've made better decisions this [01:03:00] year on our adventures, but
Riley: Well it's, it makes a cool story afterwards, right?
Arlo: Right, right. Absolutely. Oh, the other funny thing, so back at camp, my wife, we had a, we had like a four. Six person tent, I guess all of our stuff in it. The wind literally picked up the tent and blew it, probably 200 yards with everybody's stuff in it and stuff's falling out as it's going. And her cell phone ended up in a tree somewhere.
It was, it was crazy. But, so we got back and she was really grateful that we, that we made it back. Obviously she's crying, hugging my son and, and then we find out like our stuff's scattered all over the place and all of our stuff is wet, soaked with rain and,
anyway,
Riley: That's That's wild. Arlo, what's uh, what's
Arlo: uh,
Riley: on your bucket
list you
in the future?
Arlo: something on my bucket list. Um,[01:04:00]
hmm.
That's a good question.
It seems like it should be an easy one. Oh, you're good. You're good. I guess Mo I guess for now my bucket list is to pull a truck for 26 miles in, uh, in October.
Um,
Riley: You
Arlo: yeah,
Riley: quick far I forget Tell again
Arlo: so it's October 24th is when I will start. Um, I'm starting at noon on the 24th, pulling solo. And then the, the team event will start at 6:00 AM on the 25th on Saturday.
Yep.
Yep.
Riley: again
Arlo: It's 10 mile truck pull.com.
Riley: what's your favorite book? Something you recommend everyone would read.
Arlo: Oh, there's several of 'em, probably. So from the fitness, from the [01:05:00] fitness realm, there's a book called, um, never Let Go by Dan John, and it's a fantastic book. He's a, he's a fun read. Um. And, and a lot of great, a lot of great stories and, and good advice in the book. Never Let Go by Dan John. Um, never Let Go.
Yep. Yep. I'm a huge fan of John Grisham books. I like most of everything he writes And then,
Riley: if I've ever read a
Arlo: ahead.
Riley: Grisham, what's
his
Arlo: Okay. So he's a lawyer. He does like crime dramas. Like there, there have been movies out of his books too, like the Firm, the Pelican Brief, um, A Time To Kill. Those are, those are all John Grisham books. Um, loved Louis Lamore growing up.
Westerns, uh, man read a read. Most of those have, most of those
Riley: couple. And
Arlo: Uhhuh.
Riley: they were fun
though
Arlo: They, they were a big part of my childhood.[01:06:00]
Riley: talking about those recently. We were, we were on a walk and we passed one of those kind of little, you know, I don't know, kiosk libraries that people put their, you know,
Arlo: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Riley: where they got And they had some Lou
Arlo: Right, right.
Riley: me about those I've, I've listened to a couple of those on
Arlo: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep.
Riley: where can you be found on social media stuff? What's your, what's
Arlo: So I have, I have two different, I, I'm on, I'm on Facebook, Arlo Stein, and then I'm on Instagram more. Um, and if you look up Arlo Gagaine, two of 'em will pull up. One is My Art of Jitsu for if you're more in Jiujitsu, that's the page for you. And then the other one, a Gagaine, is just my, my personal one. And I talk more about truck polling and stuff on that one.
So, um, yeah, just look up Arlo Gagaine. It'll pull 'em both up,
but.
Riley: on
I, it's, it's fun [01:07:00] to, fun to kind of keep up with that. So,
Arlo: Yeah,
Riley: Awesome listen I, uh, I appreciate you coming on, dude. It was,
Arlo: absolutely. Thanks for having me.
Right, right.
Riley: I uh get on the Matkin one day and you can beat me
Arlo: Yeah, I hope so. Yeah, we'll see. Uh, but I'd love to roll with you for sure.
Riley: go run your salt, my
friend
Arlo: All
right. Thank you. Appreciate it. Take care. Ri.
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